THE GREAT DEBATE

I PUT A POSTS UP ABOUT HIP-HOP.ALL OF YOU GUYS HAD REAL GOOD STUFF TO SAY ABOUT IT BUT THERE WERE 2 PEOPLE THAT MADE THE MOST SENCE AND REALLY KNEW WHAT THEY WAS TALKING ABOUT.THOSE 2 PEOPLE ARE JIMMY AND BOBBY EARTH.

Jimmy said...
Can you honestly say it's still a craft? It's all ran by corporate bigshots who are after money. They make you "like" the music that's out today, by controlling what you watch. I would like to provide a example of this by posting this article, http://www.imageyenation.com/?itemid=1528
BET has refused a music video by the group Little Brother for being "too intelligent", adn YOUR TELLING US TO RESPECT THE CRAFT. Your being played to like Soulja Boy and the GS Boyz, they tell you it's hot and so you believe it. I'll stay underground till this bullshit era of hip hop passes. By the way, I'm 19 and I truly know what the craft is.
No disrespect to Soulja Boy or all of them, but there's a whole other world to hip hop that's not being represented to the masses. What we need is a balance, there's been to much Soulja Boy not enough Wale, to much GS BOYZ not enough Little Brother. Hip Hop just needs it's diversity represented.@ Bobby Earth
Yes, hip hop has always had its "fun" songs, but that's all that's being played!!!!!!!! Hip Hop has had Kid n Play, 2 Live Crew, Digital Underground etc. But they were still played with the rest of hip hop, even then they got played with the rest of hip hop.

The TV and the radio control what you guys listen too, and just hearing that BET would pull shit like that shows you how crooked the media is, and that they don't give a damn about you or hip hop. Just how deep their pockets get, but judging by your definition, that's hip hop right??????

Bobby Earth said...
I am with you 100%, fam (Crowned King Music).

Everybody thinks they're true hip-hop heads 'cause they know Soulja Boy isn't real hip-hop. Soulja Boy IS real hip-hop. You got a young cat here that came from nothing, produced his own beats, wrote a song for fun, choreographed a dance to it, put it on YouTube, and got a whole nation of people rockin' to his joint. If that ain't hip-hop, I don't know what is. Does "Rapper's Delight" by the Sugarhill Gang really have some deep, lyrical, real hip-hop message in it? No, it's just a fun dance/party song, and it is definitely hip-hop. Open your eyes, ears, and minds, people! Hip-hop ain't what it used to be. It's gonna keep changing. Good music is good music. The end.I DEFINITELY bump De La Soul, Nas, 2Pac, Slum Village, A Tribe Called Quest, Common, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, and all them.

But at the same time I respect Soulja Boy. That's just me.

Why does everybody feel the need to take on this "old-man persona" about how long they've been on hip-hop and how they have a huge vinyl collection because they can decipher real hip-hop from "fake" hip-hop?

For instance, take Afrika Bambaataa, THE GRANDFATHER OF HIP-HOP (I assume you know the man). DOPE-ASS beats for sure. But was he some lyrical wordsmith genius? I think not! Just a super-dope-ass DJ and beatmaker that shouted a bunch of hype on top of the tracks, and rocked crowds. But THIS IS STILL HIP-HOP. AND HE WASN'T A "RINGTONE RAPPER".

Hip-hop is NOT always about the punchlines, metaphors, and lyrical prowess. You can't judge Soulja Boy in the same playing field as KRS-ONE, Rakim, and these other rappers. Because that's not what he is. NEVER did he say he was a lyrical wordsmith. If you wanna call him a "ringtone rapper", that's fine, but if that's the case, then 2 Live Crew and Digital Underground were "ringtone rappers" as well.

And for one, KRS-ONE is a hypocrite. He likes to call himself "The Teacher", and preach what "real hip-hop" is (i.e. no jewels; no gangbanging; just peace, love, & unity; etc.), and when you look back at his album covers (including Boogie Down Productions CD's) from twenty years ago: NOTHING BUT dookie ropes (big-ass gold chains FYI), GUNS, and fighting the power.

Nas has his niche; Soulja Boy has his niche; Kanye West has his niche; Common has his niche.

They've played/are playing their special part in hip-hop.

Again, no disrespect or hate to anyone that thinks differently.
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5 comments:

  1. yo man i commented on that post.
    again i will say that i hate soulja boys guts. he music is garbage. okeezy.i don't care who disagrees wit me. hip hop is no good rite now that's why i love to listen to people who been in the game for a while JAY-Z,NAS, DE LA SOUL,KANYE, COMMON etc.

    take lots of offense and eat it with your corn flakes

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  2. @ Bobby Earth

    For me personally lyrical ability doesn't matter to be a good artist. But the message behind the song and the emotion that goes into is what does it for me. You brought up Afrika Bambaataa for example, the dude had a message with his songs. Although not directly through songs, he created the Zulu nation which was used to build a youth movement out of the creativity of a new generation of outcast youths with an authentic, liberating worldview.

    Same goes along for Tupac, who many (including myself) think is the best emcee ever, wasn't all that lyrical at all, but the message he delivered through his songs CHANGED peoples lives. Hip hop has nothing to do with being lyrical, but providing a message to make a change, which is obviously displayed through rhyming skills/rapping.

    But hip hop has always had those fun artists to make hip hop fun too. Which is where Soulja Boy falls under, along with other "ringtone rappers". Which is where I think a lot of people get upset, the focus has switched from the "message" to "swagger, ringtones, club bangers, etc." If people just heard a Nas/Mos Def/ Talib Kweli/ Tupac (Other than Cali Love) song on the radio once in awhile there wouldn't be this problem.

    Also if the mainstream would let in some of these other younger artists that bring a message like a Murs/Wale/B.O.B./Big Sean/Bishop Lamont etc. instead of just playing all these gimmick rappers like Soulja Boy, New Boyz, GS Boyz, Party Boyz etc. You Know? I JUST WANT TO HEAR A NEW ARTIST WHO CAN LAY DOWN GOOD QUALITY BARS THE ENTIRE SONG, with out trying to sell their self to me.

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  3. I would also like to say KRS-One is a crazy mofo. He wants to make hip hop a religion, with an actual hip hop bible and shit. Like a religion that would cancel out Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and all the others. But I mad respect for the guy.

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  4. @ Jimmy

    Yo, man. Most def'. I feel you.

    I'm aware of Afrika Bambaataa and the Zulu nation. I was just referring to party tracks like "Planet Rock", "Looking for the Perfect Beat", and "Don't Stop the Rock", which are hip-hop classics.

    Yeah, the game definitely needs diversity. But to me, artists like Murs, B.o.B, Charles Hamilton, Kid CuDi, etc. ARE going to get their shine in a little bit (hopefully). Asher Roth already made it (kinda); it's just too bad that his BS song was the one that made it in mainstream, 'cause dude can actually spit mad bars about real matters. 'Cause I bump all of the freshmen of hip-hop that have something fresh and different, creatively, to bring to the table. Not even just the ones on the cover of XXL. You got Big Sean, Jay Electronica, K'Naan, and all these other young cats just waiting (and right at the edge) to break into mainstream and let the world hear the fruits of their grind.

    I agree that mainstream radio has been flooded with 100% "gimmick" hip-hop. I see where you're at in accords to that.

    I really don't listen to the radio much nowadays. That might be it. 'Cause that's all I bump are artists like the ones I listed above in addition to kanYeWest, Lupe Fiaso, Common, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, and others.

    Obviously hip-hop is nowhere near comparable to its "Golden Age", where you had amazing artists like A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, N.W.A., Public Enemy, Eric B. and Rakim, and more. I was just making a point that artists like Soulja Boy are still indeed hip-hop. (I DO like a couple of his songs; I take them for what they are, which is what some people would label "ringtone rap".) To me, hip-hop is not dead. It's still kickin' (barely though), and when all the freshmen MC's finally come to the light (including me, Mr. Bobby Earth, lol), it will come very close to a new "Golden Age" if that's even possible.

    Corporate bigshots, like you stated earlier, just need to plug some new ish in people's ears if that's what it's gonna take.

    But yeah. Yo, I gotta say I feel you on everything you said on this post, fam.

    I think if Soulja Boy, GS Boyz, and all these other cats with "Boyz", just made their own special genre called like "swagger music" or "ringtone rap", we'd all be fine. Lol.

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  5. Yeah, so it basically looks like it's boiling down to a agreement. I never argued that Soulja Boy wasn't hip hop, and I'll too even admit I have some of his songs. But it's frustrating to me as a fan of hip hop to see that's what's being represented as the only thing hip hop.

    The genre of music known as hip hop, has always been the most misunderstood music in my eyes, and it looks like it will continue to stay that way. It's also always been underground, Eric B. and rakim were never mainstream, and talib kweli, murs, etc are not mainstream. To me hip hop will always be a underground genre of music, that will never be understood by the masses.

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